Boaphile Breeding Season 2007-2008

[The_Boaphile]

Finally we begin!

It's November 3rd and about half my males are in with girls now. Earlier than the past seven or eight years. I am hoping that this means an overall more productive breeding season. I have a huge number of males that were born in 2006 that I have raised up in hopes of them getting the job(s) done this year. Most are barely 3' long with a few being around 3.5' right now. A number of Motleys, Jungles, Pearlescents, Pastel Sunglows, Novas and Caramel Het males comprise most of what I am hoping will go like gang busters this year. We shall see. So far only a few of the little guys have any idea what to do but it's only the second day.

I have many more males to put in yet and other little "tricks" to do to inspire the little fellows. Below is a shot of one of the little guys taken about two weeks ago:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/medium/pearl-1-10-1-07.jpg

This is a Pearlescent Boa born last year. He is one of two born like this with no side pattern. They stuck out for the rest of the 25 other Hypos born in the litter as different. Super Pearlescents? I don't know. Possible Super Hypos for sure since both parents were Hypos.

Here he is breeding a cousin Non-Hypo Pearlescent born in 2003:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/medium/pearlsinlove.jpg

She was a tiny runt of a baby that came from the first litter of Pearlescents that the Monster Tail Female produced with the original Pearlescent Male in 2004. Here she was about a year ago:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/sibs12-23-06.jpg

I really like this animal and think she is really cool. Especially because her pattern is so dark and linier. I can't wait to see what kind of babies they produce if this breeding works out. He is barely over 3' but seems to be interested already... and they're off!!!

[Missi]

I agree, she's quite the looker. The black has such a nice contrast to her golden background. Hope things work out. :)

[stevo]

Looking good Jeff!!! I'd really like to know what some of your "tricks" are for the males to start courting their girls. Last year all my males bred like crazy, and none of the females cooperated. This year out of ten males, I only have three active. Sometimes I wonder if there's some type of secret that all the big time breeders are using to produce Boas. Like, "Hey did you dip the male in warm milk, and make the female swallow a penny before you introduced them?" How do you spell F-R-U-S-T-R-A-T-I-N-G ? Man, I can't wait for the new Boaphile Breeding DVD!!!!! Did I mention my 04 Pastel Het. Albino you produced has been cought copulating on several occasions? This year may not be too bad after all!! Good luck this season Boss!!!

[Linda]

Hey Jeff,
It sounds like you're off to a great breeding season. Hopefully you're going to post some more "action shots" later. :)

Yep,
LOTS of pictures are very nice. :)

[The_Boaphile]

A few more action shots of some of the highlights.

Here are a pair of Pearlescent Boas getting acquainted:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/500/pearl-love-11-5-07.jpg

Here is an inverse tail stripe Ivory Anerythristic working over a very low yellow Ghost:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/512/ghost-love-11-5-07.jpg

Another interesting shot. This time a low yellow Ghost male working over a heretofore believed "male" Anerythristic. She is a very rare aberrant Anerythristic female:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/512/ghostbrock-love-11-5-07.jpg

I bought this "fellow" a few years ago as a male but after three seasons of zero courtship, I decided to sex him the old fashioned way with a probe. I probed and I probed and though everything externally about this guy says "boy" I could not get him to probe boy no matter what I tried. I started feeding "him" like the girl that he is and she is now ready for a little baby making. I hope. Here he was as a baby:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/512/babysuperman.jpg

She has gotten really dark with greater size. A really interesting animal. I just hope that pattern proves to be genetic... If not, I guess we'll get some really nice Anerys and Ghosts.

[stripedboa]

Wow.You are off to a great start. What else to you have.We know this is just the start.I cant wait..

[Linda]

Fantastic actions shots. :)

I can hardly wait until the ovulations start. :D Those are going to be some KILLER LITTERS!!!!!! :eek:

BTW why do you have newspaper in with them?? :confused:

[The_Boaphile]

What the Boa world needs is this… a White Boa mutation that in the Het form creates an actual visual het!

Every single Leucistic Python on the planet in the Het form, produces a visual Het. There are probably near ten forms of this in the Ball Python World, depending upon how you define it, plus the Retic and Burmese Leucistics each have a visual Het form. Now why do we NEED a visual Het Lucy in the Boa world? There are at least two reasons for this. One is obvious. A Lucy that produces a visual Het can be utilized to tweak everything else that we make. Secondly, the White Snake Hets in the Ball Python world are proven to often not just tweak other mutations, but to make something completely unexpected. Something crazy! The advent of such a mutation, if and when it is found, is the going to be the quintessential “game changer” for the Boa World.

It is possible that the already known Princess Diamond Leucistic hets are visual. We have seen that the Diamond mutation does crazy stuff to the Motley mutation. The Het Diamonds that we have seen, which are very few to date, do not appear to be obvious visual hets. At least not compared to “normal” Boas. There may be more than meets the eye when more results are revealed in the future though. We look forward to seeing them for sure.

In the case of Boas, the variability of the “normal” or “wild type” Boa is so wide that identifying those visual hets is about a million times more difficult than it is in Ball Pythons and Burmese Pythons especially. The normal Burm or Ball is a very consistent animal in terms of lightness and darkness as well as the indiscriminant nature of their patterns making “different” animals stand out more easily than in Boa Constrictors. Boas have all shapes, sizes and frequency of pattern as well as light and dark individuals in the same locality types. Even within single litters, making the identification of possible mutations a needle in the haystack scenario. Color is just as variable making the identification of something “special” a wild shot in the dark. This should not make it impossible to identify those special animals, but certainly makes it trickier. Why shouldn’t they be every bit as frequent as they seem to be in the case of Pythons? They should and probably are.

The Ball Python world has Yellowbellies, Mojaves, Lessers, Butters and maybe a couple others make an utterly or virtually all white snake. There are also other forms of this “type” of mutation that have an identifiable Het form, and a Super form that is extreme than the Het individuals, yet that are not entirely white Supers. Two examples of this are the Mystic/Super Mystic and the Special/ Super Special. There are probably others as well. The Super forms of these two types are not all white and show pattern that is entirely different from normal, but it is still there. These are all very extreme examples of Co-Dominant or Incomplete Dominant mutations. In these cases of ALL these White Snake “Type” mutations, breeding them to other mutations often create completely unexpected crazy results! Results that could be applied to Boas, if we could just find those animals.

Here is an example of what I am talking about.

This is a Mystic Ball Python:

http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.com/uploads/images/mystic%2009.jpg

This is a Mojave Ball Python:

http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.com/uploads/images/moj08-187m.JPG

This is a Super Mojave Ball Python:

http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.com/uploads/images/supmoj08-015f.JPG

These two together make a Mystic Potion:

http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.com/uploads/images/mystic%20potion%2012.jpg

It’s insanity isn’t it!? The magic the visual Het Leucistics make happen in the Python World would translate fantastically to Boas. The day when we can start doing crazy stuff like this with our Boas, it will be a good day!

The one tiny extra bonus that would help is this; Since Boas are so widely variable, if the visual Het stood out head and shoulders above normal or non-het individuals within a single litter. That would be sooooo cool and that is the Game Changer that the Boa World I think could really celebrate!

Photos are all the property of Royal Constrictor Designs and used with permission. http://www.royalconstrictordesigns.com

[Missi]

I'm so jealous lol. You have some really nice looking boas Jeff. Good luck. :)

[The_Boaphile]

A few more breeding shots:

In 2000 we had the original Pearlescent male born in the first litter of Pastel Hypos anyone ever produced. The male working below is one of that original male Pearlescent males babies that was born in the litter in 2003.

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love2-11-6-07.jpg

Even though this girl is fully opaque, she still looks good to this fellow. She is his cousin and she was born in 2004:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love4-11-6-07.jpg

This opaque female is one of my favorites of the Pearlescents. She does not have the inverse tail stripe like some, but her color is fantastic. Up close:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love3-11-6-07.jpg

Here is a 4 1/2 year old Non-Hypo Pearlescent from the first litter proving the fact that the Pearlescents were genetic and at least dominant, being bred by a little teeny tiny 18 month old Hypo Pearlescent male:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love-11-6-07.jpg

I can't wait to see what this year's breedings bring!

[The_Boaphile]

Worked my fingers to the bone, I mean my sides to the bone what-a-ya get? Bare sides I guess...

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love4--11-12-07.jpg

[The_Boaphile]

Pastel Albinos 2007 and maybe 2008???

We have not made nearly as many Pastel Albinos as I would like to. We do have a few though and hope to have a good year breeding and making a few more this coming year. Here is one of the Pastel Albino Sunglows about six months ago:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/504/PastelSun6033233.jpg

Here is a rear shot of the same little fellow working over his fully opaque girlfriend a few days ago:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/504/pastelsunglow-11-10-07.jpg

Here they are after she had a fresh shed:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/504/pastelsunglow-2-11-12-07.jpg

I guess there aren't too many hets out there that have the kind of color this girl has are there?

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/504/pastelsunglow-3-11-12-07.jpg

I just hope this little fellow becomes a Daddy in about six month or so. That would make me really happy.

Here is a 6 1/2' female Pastel Albino that is four years old. I have been trying to get good pictures of her for years! Today was finally the day! This girl is an Auntie of the little Pastel Albino Sunglow in the shots above and the sister of that het. Looks like a little red influence runs in the family huh?

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/504/pastelalbino504.jpg

Note the newspaper isn't pink and the Aspen isn't orange.

[Missi]

The newspaper is so pink...... from the reflection of color from the snake. :P

Awesome looking snakes. That female pastel albino in the last pic is freaking gorgeous!

[The_Boaphile]

I think this may be my favorite pairing of this season:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love1--11-15-07.jpg

The same couple at a strange angle:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love3--11-15-07.jpg

Up close and personal:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love2--11-15-07.jpg

This is another really cool pairing. I hope some of these play out...

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love4--11-15-07.jpg

And again a bit closer up:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love5--11-15-07.jpg

I just can't help myself. Another shot of orange:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/504/pastelalbino524.jpg

[Missi]

I hope all goes well for those pairings. It'll make for some pretty babies.

[The_Boaphile]

They are not all doing what I want them to do. Here is a really washed out Pastel Hypo with a really wiggy Jungle male. The little fellow can't seem to figure out what to do:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/jungle-tired-11-15-07.jpg

Here is a Motley boy on a Monster Tail Hypo female that is just starting to get the hang of it:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/518/motley-love-11-15-07.jpg

A pair of Pucallpa Peruvian Red Tails getting acquainted too:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/peruvians-11-15-07.jpg

It never gets old... believe it or not, I actually restrain myself and post less than I really want to...

[Missi]

I'm a softy for the Peruvians, they're too gorgeous for their own good. By far the most attractive redtails in my opinion.

Hopefully that little Jungle male will get the hang of things soon. Good Luck!

[The_Boaphile]

So two years ago I had this freaky litter born:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/514/6-27-06-6.jpg

They included this one freaky baby:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/514/what-1-13-07-3.jpg

As well as the rest of the litter:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/514/6-27-06-6.jpg

One of those bad boys is working this female over now:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/514/dh-11-16-07.jpg

Here is something else I have been quietly working away on. A small litter of Monster Tail Pastels, and a few Hypos, were produced two and a half years ago. One of the little guys is finally starting at it on a distantly related non-hypo Monster Tail female. Check these two out:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/monster-pastel-1-11-16-07.jpg

Keep your fingers crossed for me...

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/monster-pastel-2-11-16-07.jpg

Oh and then there are these two:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/bloodyjungles-1-11-16-07.jpg

Both of these kids cam from Markie Mark. I didn't want to disturb them too much but I was able to see that they are actually copulating and not just courting. I am happy to see that one... Good stuff!

[The_Boaphile]

A few more of the happenings at the Boa Black Hole this season...

I have one and only one adult male Sharp Albino and he has one girl and only one to breed. I just hope he can somehow get it done. He is working this Pearlescent female over a bit:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-sharp-love-1-11-18-07.jpg

Another shot of the little couple:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-sharp-love-2-11-18-07.jpg

This little guy just started breeding a few days ago:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearlescentlove-4-11-18-07.jpg

and I just can't get enough of hoping that these two make a few little kiddletes:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearlescentlove-3-11-18-07.jpg

I just wonder what they might look like...

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearlescentlove-2-11-18-07.jpg

Here is a Pearlescent male and brother of the fellow above working over his own little girl friend:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearlescentlove-1-11-18-07.jpg

She was born in a litter of Hypos that I kept because her saddles and side blotches were all reddish even though she wasn't a Hypo. A very uniquely beautiful little critter that is just now big enough to breed. She is 7 1/2 years old.

[The_Boaphile]

First ovulation! Now that was quick! The male was only in with her for about two weeks. I guess that's the second fastest I have seen myself. He was all over her from the start. She ate a rat on November 8th. Refused a rat on November 21. I guess she had a little something else going on inside and didn't want to upset it with a meal. I knew she had already been thickened up and was basically ripe for the picking but I did not think it would be this quick. I'm not complaining mind you but this was REALLY quick! Let's hope for a whole mess of babies. A whole mess of really cool babies!

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/medium/jungles-11-23-07.jpg

[The_Boaphile]

I've had a few interesting things going on this year. So far this female "Bloody Salmon" was bred by a Jungle male. Here they are in a romantic embrace:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/bloodyjungles-1-11-16-07.jpg

I caught them copulating on November 16th when I took this picture above. He continued to breed her. Then November 23rd I catch her doing this having a lovely little ovulation:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/jungles-11-23-07.jpg

The Jungle continued to be interested so I took him out. Took him out you ask? Yup, out and put in this little fellow on November 26th:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/bloodymotleys1-11-28-07.jpg

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/bloodymotleys2-11-28-07.jpg

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/bloodymotleys3-11-28-07.jpg

So what do you make of that? We could actually get five types of babies from that litter. We could get:

- Hypo Motleys Het Blood
- Hypo Jungles Het Blood
- Motleys Het Blood
- Jungles Het Blood
- Normals Het Blood

A nice little mixture of potential kiddies.

Then my favorite Non-Hypo Pearlescent female seen here last year at 3 1/2 years of age.

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/sibs12-23-06.jpg

Here she is with the Pearlescent male keeping watch over her:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearl-love4--11-12-07.jpg

He does not let her move very far without him:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearlsinlove.jpg

She looks really nice to him I guess:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearls-1-11-27-07.jpg

Then today only three weeks into this romance and she starts doing this:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearls-2-11-28-07.jpg

He must be doing something right huh? Another shot of her ovulating. Not the greatest shots of an ovulation but ovulation nonetheless:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearls-1-11-28-07.jpg

Very strange for sure to have two ovulation so quick. I am not complaining but I don't think I have seen an ovulation this quick in at least five or six years. Maybe more. We shall see...

[Randy_T.]

Good luck with all of the breedings.

You forgot one of the possibles from that bloody salmon female. You forgot about good ole hypo het bloods :) So you could end up with 6 potential excellent morphs.

[The_Boaphile]

Oh yea! I stand corrected! You are correct Randy.

She is maybe 5' long max so I doubt she would have more than about 10 babies. I'll be very happy with only six actually if there is only one of the "extra" somethings in there.

[The_Boaphile]

I guess a little more activity to report. More kids trying to make me a Grandpa again...

A very wiggy Jungle male named "Mikey" working over a really really washed out TJ bloodline Hypo:

Click here to watch a video of these two in courtship: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3YtIsy9zI4)

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/junglepastelhypo1-11-27-07.jpg


A couple of Albinos trying to make me a few more Albinos. I haven't bred a female Albino successfully yet but I am trying... again:

Click here to watch a video of these two in courtship: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktZQ9RtlQ3A)

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/albinos-1-11-27-07.jpg

A proven pair of Pucallpa Peruvian Red Tail Boas doing their thing:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/507/peruvians1-11-27-07.jpg

This female Non-Hypo Pearlescent has already ovulated once but the little guy won't leave her alone just yet:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearls-2-12-1-07.jpg

What side blotches? I don't need no stinking side blotches:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearls-1-12-1-07.jpg

Here she is ovulating November 28, 2007:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/pearls-2-11-28-07.jpg

By the way... the little Motley finally figured out what he was supposed to be doing:

Click here to watch a video of these two breeding: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GIZ_j9-5mc)

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/redmonstermotley2-11-27-07.jpg

He did and she is really really thick looking preparing for an ovulation soon I hope:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/redmonstermotley3-11-27-07.jpg

I can't get enough of looking at these two:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/redmonstermotley5-11-27-07.jpg

Click here to watch a short clip of him following her around a bit: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TZNQxlZLo)

I think this is one of the cooler shots I have taken of these two together:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/redmonstermotley4-12-1-07.jpg

It must be true love huh?

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/redmonstermotleys-1-12-1-07.jpg

Here is another pair of Boas getting to know each other as well:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/monstermotley1-11-27-07.jpg

Here is a shot showing her obvious "Pre-ovulation Swell":

Click here to watch a video showing the Pre-Ovulation Swell: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEYoDPDNW50)

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/502/monstermotley1-12-1-07.jpg

Click here to read more about the Pre-Ovulation Swell: (http://www.boaconstrictor.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9130)

Are you getting tired of my pictures yet?

How about the video clips? I know they are dark but I am a rookie with this YouTube thing. They will get better over time...

I did shoot a few more video clips that don't have pictures to go with them. You can see them at the following links:

Click here to view a Jungle Boa after an Anerythristic: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZRHohO2eC8)

Click here to view a little more Jungle Boa after an Anerythristic female courtship: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHKRNR2c_Sc)

Click here to view a Motley Boa Breeding a Bloody Salmon Female: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le5i4gUuzBM)

Click here to view a Pearlescent Male Boa Breeding a Pearlescent Female: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6IBQndZAOI)

Click here to view a Sharp Albino Male Boa Breeding a Pearlescent Female: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-e9buuq4cI)

It's all good clean fun!

[koky]

All are just Just Amazing !! Love the Peruvians !!

[stripedboa]

Any updates on the breeding season..

[BoaAmarali]

WOW!! I've been waiting for these updates,LOL. I just never get tired of seeing that Monstertail Fem.She is just so beautiful.Now matched with the Pastel Motley- can't be bad!! Lar M

[beastie]

absolutely amazing!!!


great pairings, can't wait to see those motley/monstertail hypo babies!!!


i'll be posting some of my current breedings soon, but i won't be able to keep up your pace!!!

[Bushbaby]

Don't you have a job for me?? Please!! You have the most amazing boas and I would love to see all the little critters you breed out of this lot.

[The_Boaphile]

It seems like I should had done some sort of an update by now doesn't it? I am trying to restrain myself and I'm not very good at that. I just get pretty excited about what might be coming as you know. Suffice it to say that or should I say, suffice it to show a few with the following:

The crazy aberrant Anerythristic is gravid by a really nice white Ghost male...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8HhaRXlyyEg/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HhaRXlyyEg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HhaRXlyyEg

A Hogg Island female is gravid by...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/AWQQ_72d_sc/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWQQ_72d_sc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWQQ_72d_sc

The "Purple P" is gravid by an incredible CCS Pastel male...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/yxTy9mjgzrA/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxTy9mjgzrA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxTy9mjgzrA

A Brazilian is gravid again.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kf1hxTGxTbE/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf1hxTGxTbE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf1hxTGxTbE

A Bloody Salmon is gravid by both a Jungle and a Motley. Could be an interesting litter. First one due this year too!

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qFy6rfT_v7c/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFy6rfT_v7c)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFy6rfT_v7c

And last shown here is a Pearlescent Hypo female gravid by somebody really cute...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dOP1KhFzNZs/default.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOP1KhFzNZs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOP1KhFzNZs

I am really looking forward to this year's crop. I still have a number of males going at it and hope for several more ovulations before we start feeding again for next year's breeding. We shall see. Just a few of the occurrences that are giving me reason for anticipation...

The first litter is due April "Fools" day. I guess that makes sense doesn't it!?

[BoaAmarali]

Hey Jeff I have a theory about Hogg Island Boas.Did you put that Boa Woman carml on her? About the Bloody Salmon Jungle & Motley breeding.Couldn't you end up with some Jungle / Motley crosses also? I want a fem baby from the "Purple P" breeding ,thankyou. Lar M

[M.S.M]

no sperm dose not fertilize sperm,
-jungle sperm to the egg
-motley sperm to the egg
-not motley sperm to jungle sperm.

[The_Boaphile]

I did not breed the Hogg with the Caramel male. The Bloody Salmon can produce babies from both fathers but there will not be any Motley Jungles. I wish there were but there won't be.

[BoaAmarali]

no sperm dose not fertilize sperm,
-jungle sperm to the egg
-motley sperm to the egg
-not motley sperm to jungle sperm.
Yes that was a stupid statement wasn't it,LOL. I guess I was thinking the same ovum could be fertilized by both Motley and Jungle sperm I see the error in my thought process though.
If something like that happened you'd just get unidentical twins correct ,one Jungle one Motley from same egg?
M.S.M Oh by the way, thanks for pointing out the fact that sperm doesn't fertilize sperm ( Sarcasm Noted ) . Lar M

In my defence I was still shaken by the news of the Monstertail Hypo

[M.S.M]

lol sorry about the sarcasm

[BoaAmarali]

No problem I pretty much deserved it with a stupid statement like the one I made,LOL.All is well .I'm very curious what direction Jeff is going with that Hogg Island project? I wouldn't think the obvious Hypo to Hogg pairing. I want something really interesting.LOL,Lar M

[Randy_T.]

Good luck with them all Jeff. One question though. When can we expect to see you produce some new Ivory Aneries?

[CCS]

I can't speak for Jeff, but I would bet that he isn't crossing the Hog with anything, Jeff has been making some of the best pure Hogs for a long time, I have one of his males that has made me a good number of babies. I highly doubt there is anything in that Hog other than more Hogs.

Chris

[BoaAmarali]

So your saying it really isn't a secret breeding,that's just Jeff for ya!?! That makes sense,Lar M

[CCS]

Never said it wasn't a secret breeding, just said I would be surprised if they weren't pure Hogs.

Chris

[The_Boaphile]

I really don’t want to hijack this thread, so I started another thread to discuss the specifics of the question asked by Rueben above.


I never objected or questioned goo shots after removal from the cage Rueben. I did question pictures of babies separated by weeks without the clear relationship of being in the same litter. And even more importantly is seeing more than two isolated individuals but the contrast seen only in mass.

Goo pictures while in the cage are notoriously difficult to get. Here is an example of a goo shot in the cage:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/520/littergoo1.jpg

But there is nothing like a goo shot outside the cage:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/520/littergoo2.jpg

Some litters can be photographed in the cage when the mutants stand way out from the non-mutants as is the case with the Prodigy Boas above. Same thing with Albinos. Other less obvious more subtle mutations almost have to be taken outside the cage in order for anyone to see what's going on. Especially if the camera isn't a good one. Not everyone has a fancy camera.

The goo shots, even if taken right after a birth in a tub are still pretty stinking good proof that the animals we are seeing in those images were in fact in the same litter. Post shed and or possibly cherry picked baby shots leave doubt as to the reliability of the claims made by the person posting them. Litter shots in the goo speak more than a thousand words and remove those doubts.

As far as your questions about the European guys and pictures in goo and such…

Firstly:

The reason I originally wanted pictures from Zenzinia is, he kept showing pictures of what he said were Russian Blonde T-Positive Boas. Those beautiful Pastels that to my eye didn’t look in any way different from many beautiful Pastels lots of other people produce. Pastels I have pulled from the goo scores of times myself, but I didn’t have a single gene simple recessive mutation in my hands. Yet he claimed the Russian Blonde thing over and over. I simply wanted to see pictures of visuals in the goo with non-visuals to see they were something other than just pretty Boas. A shot of two animals of two extremes, even if they really are from the same litter, can highlight the differences between two extremes, but they fail to clearly illustrate what is easy to illustrate with a good picture in the goo. Those kinds of pictures that we saw left people wondering. Without those goo shots, I personally had doubts about the Russian Blondes project. I had no reason to doubt the integrity of Zenzinia or any of the other guys who posted on that topic. But I could not wrap my head around something I couldn’t see. I did have good reason to doubt their conclusions. All because of the lack of those goo shots that could remove my doubt.

Illustration:

If I claim that this Boa:

http://www.theboaphile.com/images/available/kw-f-070-001.jpg

And this Boa:

http://www.theboaphile.com/images/available/non-kw-sibling.jpg

Are littermates, that is really pretty hard to believe. But if I show those two Boas in this picture at the bottom of the picture together:

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/549/keys-7350.jpg

It’s a whole different story isn’t it?

Those probably aren’t the same two from that litter, but you get the idea and they are siblings.

Secondly:

I have since then seen very good goo shots of Russian Blonde litters that have only served to heighten my concerns regarding the Russian Blonde T-Positive Boas. Concerns but not doubts regarding the morph. Pictures of visuals alongside non-visuals at birth tell much more.

First let me say that I have absolutely ZERO doubt that the Russian Blondes are a legitimate version of T-Positive Boas. No question they are. Plus, Peter Rice bred what at least in his post he said was a Sharp Albino to a Russian T-Positive Boa. This breeding yielded less than 100% of a different version of a Paradigm type Boa. He called them the “Mystic” Boa. So clearly they, at least in the case of those babies appeared to be that type of mutation. However, they were not ALL that mutation. When that happened, that is the moment I became absolutely convinced the Russian Blondes were the real deal. However, I asked over and over for clarification from Peter Rice, because the result did not make sense with what we think we know about genetics. There are a number of possible explanations for this inexplicable result.

I can think of four reasons why that particular result may have occurred;

- One possibility is that another male in addition to the one that fathered the mutants fathered the other offspring. This would be a perfect fitting explanation.
- Parthenogenesis. Except that I think that those babies should be visually identical to the mother and that didn’t happen.
- Perhaps the Mystic Boas require two separate genetic components to create that different visual animal. The Sharp and Russian Blonde gene plus another component. Sort of a modifier gene. This seems a little bit farfetched I suppose, and really coincidental given that the Mystics is what Peter Rice was shooting for AND produced.
- Lastly; the possibility that to me seems most likely is that the Russian Blonde used was in fact not a Homozygous animal but only a het mistakenly believed to be a homozygous animal. This too would be a perfect fitting explanation for the lack of 100% of the offspring being Mystics.

Now since the long back and forth of trying to get additional information two years ago, that fell upon deaf ears to those across the pond, I have seen very good pictures of Russian Blondes in the goo alongside either hets or normals within the same litter. I am not posting any of those pictures here as I don’t want anyone to think I am picking on them because I am not. The differences between the visuals and the non-visuals is so subtle as to in my mind make it quite possible that a person could very easily misidentify a brighter colored normal within a same litter with Russian Blondes as a visual. This when in fact it might only be a pretty baby and maybe not even a het in a breeding where at least one parent is a het. This is in no way a questioning of anyone’s integrity or intelligence. It is simply a mistake that in my mind could happen.


So I guess that should help answer in painful detail. LOL I am genuinely excited when I see something new pop up as anyone who frequents Boa forums will attest. Especially brand new never before seen morphs. I hope we see many Blondes soon from you Rueben. That will be a beautiful thing.































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[Shann]

Did anyone ever tell you yet that you are a BIG TEASER?

[The_Boaphile]

Nothing here.

[The_Boaphile]

By the way... she is ovulating and has been since yesterday morning!!!

This fellow bred her:

http://www.theboaphile.com/images/available/nova-5.jpg
Let me clarify, this fellow did not breed the Hogg female. I now realize that is how it appeared. He did not breed the Hogg. He did breed a different female though I have not revealed which female that is...

Sorry for my misdirection. This could be interesting...

[M.S.M]

He bred the hog?

[The_Boaphile]

No he did not breed the Hogg. He bred a different female Boa...

[M.S.M]

Ok sorry my mistake.

[The_Boaphile]

Not a mistake. Deductive reasoning as I had it previously worded. When I posted the tease about the Hypo with the long tail stripe breeding "her" I failed to recognize the fact that logic would point to him as having bred the Hogg. Such was not the case though.

[Shann]

Oh no now their is two misterious breedings!! It is fun to try and think of what you have paired with them. But the wait is hard. Then when you post those baby goo photos that you had us all guessing about it is all worth it!! Can't wait to SEE!!!!

[The_Boaphile]

What do you people want from me?

As the keeper of "The Boa Black Hole" I think the job I have here is a whole lot more difficult that most give me credit for. Here are three sisters all from the same litter. Quite the variation right? But look at these things! How can I possibly sell any of these girls? How?

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/503/sisters-3-14-08.jpg

I mean really. How can I do it? I started this whole Boa breeding thing a long time ago. I had a pretty neat little hobby right, or so I thought, then these babies just get more and more outrageous on me. What am I to do? I don't make these things. They, the Boas, make them and I am privileged to see them, feed them, clean them, get bit by them, sell them... NO! THey guide just the right genes into place and make this off the chart critters that are the bane of my miserable pathetic little existence! I am not at all happy about having to sell most of my babies! So I just keep them. Too many of them but how can I stop? I want to keep most of them. This just drives me insane. How can I put a price on these critters? What would be enough to be able to wake up one morning and realize that today this little fellow would no longer live right here where he belongs?

http://www.boaconstrictor.net/gallery/data/521/jungle-hypo-3-14-08.jpg

What? How much would it take to make me feel OK about that reality? I submit to you that there is no price that will make me feel better about this selling baby Boas thing I have been cursed with. I am having some serious anxiety here people. What am I going to do? I need a 12 step program or something. Cold turkey? How do I go cold turkey. Don't volunteer to take all my Boas for me. That isn't going to happen. That would not cure this ailment I suffer from every day of my miserable life.

What am I going to do?

Oh no... it just hit me that babies are on the way too. Lots of babies. More babies than I can possibly think about keeping in a million years. This just gets worse every year with more crazy stuff coming. I know who is gravid this year. I know who is looking really good this year. I know what the parents of the babies that will come look like this year. What I don't know is what craziness is in store for me in the way of baby Boas that are a coming. Coming all too soon. The first of which are due in two weeks and then the popcorn rattling of those insane babies will just keep on rolling. Rolling over my entire being leaving me waste on the snake room floor quivering in a hallucination like coma suffering sensory overload that a single human brain was never designed to suffer.

What I ask? What am I going to do?

[M.S.M]

nothing here