Dumeral Boa ???

[Brandon]

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hey there guys.
i have seen couple of pics of dumerals boas.
r they very popular in the states???
can anyone suggest a reputable breeder of dumerals.

also, r they much different.....i mean like care wise and stuff like that.
do they need the same humidity and temps like red tails do or r they totally different.
any info would be great thanks.
cheers.

[LukeUK]

I had a Dumerils till I found it had a tounge defect, im on the lookout for another at the mo, thay are great animals, the temps should be the same as red tails but the humidity should be a bit higher about 70%, thay also like to burrow under the substrate so you should put in enough for the snake to compleatly bury itself, other than that look after it like it were a red tail. I also belive there growth rate is somewhat slower than a red tail, and thay can be a bit more aggressive. Be sure to check the tounge by actually opening the snakes mouth I belive that tounge deffects are more common in Dumerils for some reason, I was lucky I got the snake frome a very reputable herp shop, thay were willing to credit me, many establishment would not have done this.

[Brandon]

thanks for the reply bro.
hopefully i will be getting a pair.

i am mostly a red tails fan, btu South Africa doesnt have any dumerals, so once again i am trying to get some here.
by the end of this year i should have a nice big collection.
i cant wait.
speka to u soon.

[Minus_1]

8) i've never heard of Dumerils having a tongue defect... you mean a genetic "flaw"? What was up with it? I'd like to know what too look for if Im ever eyeballin' a dumeril..

[LukeUK]

It is fairly common to see them with deformed tounges, i.e. curved to one side, too small, or connected with a peice of skin that shouldent be there, any of these defects will make it hard to feed a dumerils, it wont be able to smell its pray properly, so you see the probs you could have. Just have a quick looksy in the mouth if it looks normall then it probably is, its very obviose when you actually see one with a defect the first sighn is no toung flicking.

[LukeUK]

my God my spelling is bad, aint this thing got a spell checker, lol :o

[voodoomagik]

hey!!!
my name is aaron and i live i memphis, tn. my wife and i have a pair of dumeril's that have been mating like crazy this year!!!!!
ive bred columbians sucessfully once before, but i don't want to count my babies before they're born, but we should have a litter of dumeril's if you, or anyone else for that matter is interested. im dont really have a good idea yet when they'll be born, but we'll probably get an ultrasound done in the next month or two and keep you posted. weve already had one done, but she was in the process of ovulating and, since it was so early, we couldnt really get an estimate on the due date or number of babies so, if your still in the market this summer, let me know.

[voodoomagik]

oh yeah, and as for husbandry for the most part, they are similar to colombians, but i have noticed a few differences and have found supporting publications. dumerils seem to eat less often. you cant feed them quite like a colombian and ive read that they are more resistant to cold temperatures, thus, making them more resistant to respiratory infections, from my perspective, i would have to say that i agree with these things. they are also a little more shy, especially when it comes to feeding. it may take a little more time and effort to establish a feeding regimen with them and to get little ones to be comfortable eating, but it seems that once they are started, they do just fine. also, they seem to be SLIGHTLY smaller than colombians. ive read that they only get to be 4-6 feet, but ive seen one in person that was as thick and long as a decent size female colombian. ive seen a picture in a book called boas that was massive so i dotn know about exactly how much smaller they are.
good luck, if i think of anything else ill let you know. oh...and i havent heard anything about tongue deformities, though, i wouldnt find it too hard top believe because, due to the fact that madascar (where they come from) hasnt been allowing exportation for some time, different bloodlines in captivity have been scarce resulting in the fact that dumeril's boas are one of the most inbred types of snakes today, but i havent had any problems with the two im breeding right now. they look great, eat great and have sweet personalities. i recommend them highly and have really enjoyed keeping them.

[LukeUK]

All the dumerils I have ever come accross have been over 8' for females and smaller for males, thay are about the same size as a columbian.

[voodoomagik]

i thought so, too, aparently, there are size differences in the geographical variations. i believe they are larger in the north? of madagascar where their habitat at times coincides with acrantophis madagascarensis, the ground boa, because of the fact that they have interbred.

[bmh9615]

Hello,
I have 2 dumerils boas. My 3 yoa male "max" is 5 feet and does have a tounge deformity. I have only seen him flick it out twice and it curves around the right side of his face. He is a picky eater (he only eats once a month but it's like clockwork) Max has the best temperment of any snake I've ever had and I wouldn;t change him for the world. Aries, my 2 yoa 3' female is perfectly healty and eats well. She also has an extrodinary temperment. They both love soaking in water and will also bury themselves in the substrate. Based on my experience with them I would recommend them to anyone who asks as a great addition to your family.

Brant

[gomez101]

Great info guys. I've been wanting to get a dumerils myself one of these days. No pet stores around my area know anything about temperments and so on, they are just out to make a sale. Speaking of which, on the average one runs 200 to 250 at the store. Is this about the norm at other locations? I'm not going to buy one at this price. I know I can get one off the net cheaper. Just a question about your local store price. Thanks for usefull info, nice change of pace.

[bcijoe]

Hello all - I currently have a pair of Dumerils boas 'lost' amongst my huge bci/bcc collection.. lol ..

I too have never bred them and was wondering if husbandry is much different than bci...

I also wanted to start a thread to see how big they usually get. At one time I thought they didn't get too big, I didn't know at all... maybe 4, 5.... 6 feet? hmm

Then one thing that changed my mind was when I saw an adult female offered. She was tame and supposedly bigger than mentioned.. When I received her I was shocked to see a huge, fat, 8 - 8 1/2 foot Dumerils !! At the time it was bigger than my largest bci or bcc! SAH-WEET!

Since then i've realized (from other dumerils too) that they are a bit more skittish, especially when initially going into the cage to get them.
I've had little guys actually JUMP towards me because of such a forcefull strike, trying to get me, but then they are like puppies in your hand..
Just last night my big girl nearly took my face off!!! Boy did that wake me up!!!
She was in her Boaphile 421D and stretched from back around side to front. I didn't think she would, but I barely opened the front and she LUNGED SIDEWAYS out the front of the cage, thank goodness her reach only allowed her to get out about 6-8 inches, and then she was sort of 'stuck' at that reach, with her mouth opened, for a good 5-10 seconds! My face was about 3 inches away from her mouth!!! ::)
She was even fed well the day before!

Other than that, i've never had a problem with them.

I purchased a male to breed her.. he has reduced pattern and orange highlights... thing is, the person conveniently forgot to tell me about a freaky 'wound' he had towards his tail.
The only way i can describe it is if you would take an ice cream scooper and literally 'scoop' a piece of flesh out from his back! He's got a few smaller ones too. After i asked the person, he said I thought you saw it in the pic.. and that it shouldn't affect breeding. Well, last winter, nothing came out of their paring... hmmm

By the way Frank, I paid about $300 or so shipped for this huge female and babies or sub-adults can frequently be seen for around $130. You shouldn't need to pay more than that, although i'm sure stores will charge more for 'lesser' quality animals... lol

Hope this helped..
and if anyone has any ideas on my gimpy male, please let me know! thanks all

[Boa_Dan]

What about Macklot's python, im looking for a smaller snakes so would this be good, it will be my first snake over 6 feet so i don't want anythning aggresive, any sugestions on any other snakes?
Dan

[Jiffyjam]

 John Skipper produces some of the finest Dumerils available
http://www.jsreptiles.com/ BTW, I can't find anybody that supports what has been said about " tongue
defects " in Dumerils.

[Boabrat]

I have three Dumiril's and love'em. They are great tempered, beautifully colored and fairly easy to care for. As metioned in an earlier reply, one of mine also suffers from a 'tongue' defect though. She eats right at once a month, but is growing very slow of course. It is generally just an inbreeding problem because of where they come from, and most all captive bred dumiril's origionating from a relatively very small breeding stock in the 1970s. At any rate, below is a link to a webpage I did with some general information and care info about them, along with a couple pics of my Dumis.

http://www.weaselmonkey.com/dumeril.html