SHES 102 DAYS POS!!! anytime!!

[Dr._Klopson]

I am soooo excited about Momma Brooke!! This is her first litter! Shes 4.5 years old and six feet 20 pounds. From the first litter of boas I ever produced! She is a favorite pet of mine. I cant SLEEP waiting for her first litter! Whats amazing about the boas from this line is that they stay very high yellow! This is her in a dark phase being gravid. The litter with be het albino. I'll post a pic of her before she was gravid so you can see how YELLOW she is. I'm kinda calling them Jadeline pastels. All the babies hold this yellow!! Anyway...... only a couple more days!!!!!!!!!

[Dr._Klopson]

I hope you can see this Pic. This was a few months before she started breeding! Mellow Yellow!!

[Bushbaby]

Good luck and keep us posted!!!

[Dr._Klopson]

Hey thanks! I think its past both our bedtimes!! See ya.

[Bushbaby]

LOL!!!

I'm in South Africa. It's only 10.28am here.

[Dr._Klopson]

Holly Molly! Thats so crazy!! Take care, Dan. :'(

[Bushbaby]

Can't you sleep?? :D :D :D

[kasper22]

she looks great doc, I cant wait to see the babies.

[louie]

GOOD LUCK!I hope you get a bunch of healthy ones.

[Dr._Klopson]

Me too!!

[2ND_ALARM]

Keep us posted. Baby season is in full effect.

[Dr._Klopson]

Well, its day 106 and she just wont let them come out to play!! I gave her a good spray down today..... who knows, I hope she has them soooon!!! She really looks like she could POP.................. :'(

[Boa_Aficionado]

Do a rain dance!!!
: )
Nick

[Dr._Klopson]

Well I guess she didnt read the book! Shes now at 111 days after her post ov. shed. Shes doing fine.... just laying around like she ate a truck! :-/ I hope she has a healthy happy litter...waiting in sunny California.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... :'(

[The_Boaphile]

Dr. Dan,

Boas can't read. You have to read the book to her.

Jeff

[kasper22]

Hey Mr. Ronne, Boas can't hear either. You have to act it out for them. You should know that ;D

[dberes]

Better yet... Just tap morse code on the glass to them :(

[coldjoe]

My last gravid female made me wait 8 extra days before giving birth to some giant babies, ;D Did she have a waxy stool yet ??

[Dr._Klopson]

Time for cage side stories and sex ed. for all my boas!!!! :'(

[Dr._Klopson]

And yes she has had the waxy poo! Shes just afraid of me playing with her babies the second they pop out!!

[Dr._Klopson]

Day 113 and NO babies! This is a not very good picture I took of her at about 10:00 P.M, just two hours ago. I decided to try something I've never done before! I put two large tubs in her cage, one on the heat and one on the cool side. She scooted into one after only a couple minutes! Maybe this will help her feel like shes got a special place to have them? This is the same idea Rich Isle uses with his stuff, Im just goofing off. Anyway, I this is Brook, bedtime for me. :'(

[Bushbaby]

This is a very anxious time. I hoep it pays off. I had one girl go over date, but I am still waiting for her to drop babies... think t was a phantom pregnancy. My first and hopefully last experience with it.

I know what it feels like to expect babies any time. Restless sleep, waking up 2 times a night to check for babies. Oh well, good luck, hope they don't keep you waiting too long.

[kasper22]

Ha thats funny. I did the same thing a couple days ago. Mine is at 108 days pos. she looks in the tub but won't climb in.

That's a nice looking momma!

If she were to have the babies in the tub, is there a possibility that she could crush some of the babies?

[Sojourn]

She is a beauty! Best of luck! :'(

I feel for you! We have one that will be 123 days post ovulation on Tuesday. She did not have a post ovulation shed. She just dropped her waxy poo yesterday, so we are on pins and needles around here as well.

Keep us posted.... :P

[Dr._Klopson]

123 DAYS!!! Wow! I guess I could have quite a bit more waiting ahead if she wants! And I hope she dosent squish any babies in the tub. The two people I know that do this both have experienced that the animals dont stay in the tubs but feel that it is a safe place to have babies. They seem to end up only having the tail end in the tub when giving birth. I am a little worried though! I've second guessed myself a dozen times and may still pull the tubs out. I dont know?? :'(

[Dr._Klopson]

118 days POS and counting! I give up. This is my first year breeding my boas in a new boa room. I have NEVER had a female go this long!! I have four gravid females this year, I'm wondering if something about this new change in climate will make ALL of them go longer??? They are on the same property but facing North and getting a little less dirrect sun. I'm getting a bit worried now though! I HOPE she has a safe birthing experience........ I shot these pics tonight! Come on Brook!!!

[Dr._Klopson]

one more

[ratman]

I follow Rich's layout exactly and had babies 16 days ago with no problems at all, but she had them on day 102! Good luck Doc! :'(

[Bushbaby]

Good Luck Dr. K. Have you tried misting her?? I think Boas live to make us stress, and hold our breath, and thumbs, and everything else!! i hope she produces some nice babies for you!!

My ex husband bought a boa, about a year ago. He kept her for 4 months, and then decided to sell her cause she stopped eating. It looked like she was permanently ovulating.

I sold her to a friend of mine, and none of his males were interested in breeding with her. In December she had 8 live babies, although only 5 survived, and about 30 slugs. I believe she was gravid when my ex got her. It's all speculation, but she carried for well over 6 months.

[Dr._Klopson]

Thanks for the experience! The animals can do what they want sometimes! The more time that goes by the more I worry shes not going to have a healthy litter!!! Crap!!! I have been misting her like crazy, I've been debating taking her out VERY GENTLY and letting her get a little exercise..... I just a little afraid of hurting her!!! What to do, What to do.......

[reidness]

hang in there doc! just take a step back and take a deep breath and then hurry and check her again!!!! i know how you feel, i like bushbaby lost some sleep this year checking and sneeking peeks, i cant remember if she did her waxy stool yet? just keep an eye out for that and thats when you will start to sweat because thats when birth is at the door!!! is she on her heat, or roaming? good luck. reid

[kasper22]

Take her out. I handle my gravid boas and havn't had a problem. Maybe she just needs some room to move. Last year I fed my girl and she gave birth that night. (I had given up thought she wasn't gravid)

[coldjoe]

Any good news yet Dr._Klopson ? ? ? ?

[mac1366]

?? anything? You even have me pacing

[Bushbaby]

Has she been eating? When last did she eat? Have you offered her food yet? Good luck Doc. I know what you going through.

[dberes]

Anything ever happen? Are the babies still fighting to stay in :-[ while the mom is trying to push them out! :-/

[Dr._Klopson]

Hey guys! Thanks for the concern! She STILL hasent had them yet!! On the 27th she will be 125 days P.O.S. I have never had a female go this long ever! I am soooo sick about it, I really hope she pulls threw ok........ and the litter to. I've done things to encourage birth I thought I'd never do! I've taken her out VERY CAREFULLY and let her slither around the living room twice the last week, and I've let her soak for an hour in 82 degree water! She looks perfectly healthy and is acting completly normal for a gravid momma about to go. I'm not even excited about the litter anymore, just her health. I hope it goes well, shes my favorite high yellow female from my first litter years ago!! If she hits day 128 she goes to my vet for a peak at those babies..................... :'(

[zenzinia]

I am sorry but I have an advice for you ,since you must have been eating all your nails , becarefull with your fingers  ;D
To be be serious if you are going to the vet ask him about using ocytocine to get the contractions .
 There is a big risk for the female and the babies if they are to late. They can come outside the "egg " in the female so they will die and the female to, of "septicemie". I have had that case long time ago !
Cross my finger for you !
May be you are wrong about the pos ?

[Bushbaby]

I would never recommend oxytosin (Sp?) Take her to the vet, get a scan / sonar. Then you guys decide what to do. Possibly then oxytocin can be administered under vet supervision.

Good luck and keep us posted.

[The_Boaphile]

Dr. Klopson,

Did she have an intermediate shed? if so what date? I am wondering if it is possible that she was not actually gravid when you thought and that she may have ovulated subsequent to your original believed date. Is that a possibility? If so, counting from the date of the "intermediate" shed date may give you the actual due date. I have talked with many people who have had that happen. Many times. It has happened to me too.

Here is what happens sometimes. The female becomes enormous. So much so that it sure looks like an ovulation. Then she goes into a shed. Yup. That must have been the "Post Ovulation Shed". Then over the next period of time, you don't look at her nearly as closely as you did before you saw ovulation because you know that you have four months to wait and nothing of any consequence is going to happen anyhow. So she actually does have an ovulation but you don't see it. Because your busy or just not looking that closely or out of town or whatever. Then she goes into a shed again and has what appears to be an intermediate shed. Intermediate sheds are of course of no consequence. Waiting and waiting those babies don't come when they should and ultimately come far later. This I believe to be one of the reasons that some have written that the Boa Constrictor gestation period can be even 6-8 months.

Now time will tell what will happen with this animal. I have no idea what is going on or if she is really in any sort of trouble or not. But just thought I mention this as a possibility. Let us know what you figure out.

By the way. Vets are notorious for not observing anything inside the female via just an x-ray. An ultrasound is what she will really need.

Good luck young man!

Jeff

[Dr._Klopson]

Hey Jeff! Thanks for your words of boa wisdom and time, I know your busy! Its 2:00 am and I'm up checking on Brooke to see if any babies or problems. This is what my records show Jeff: Oct. 26 at 1:00pm first swelling noted (pre ov. swell perhaps) this after a few days subsides. Then Dec. 13 she REALLY swells up the second time ( the presumed ovulation ) at 2:45 pm. Dec. 15 she is milky eyed and opaque starting the post ov. shed ..... or so I think. Male looses all interrest but is let in cage just in case. Dec. 24. post ov. shed is complete. Due date on April 7th I think it was.... I have no record of an interm. shed cycle..... I'm so careful to write everything down I see with gravid females, its possible I missed it but I sure doubt it Jeff..........but I wouldnt bet my life on it. She has progressively gotten larger and larger to the point she looks like she just FULL of babies now! She acting fine! She has an appointment with Dr. A. snake lover vet. in the morning on Friday ...... thats in about 5 or 6 hours for a sonogram. I hope this post is understandable Im tired! I'll talk to you all soon and thanks for caring. Daniel Klopson :'(

[reidness]

Good luck, i hope its good news! reid

[Dr._Klopson]

Hello all!!! News from the Vets visit on Friday. I am lucky to live around the corner from a GREAT snake loving vet with a brand new state-of-the-art sonogram machine!! WOW WOW WOW. I couldnt believe the pictures he got. We saw perfect babies, perfect little skeletons, all still in perfect little sacks, with perfect little strong heart beats!!!!! I saw the hearts beating in front of my eyes with clarity I never knew was possible. I also heard the heart beats! The pics were SO good he was able to measure one of the babies from snout to tail..... 19 inches! We also were able to see that the sacs were still thick enough to keep the snake from just falling out in the womb. I'll tell you this ... the machine at the hospital they used on my WIFE and our unborn baby girl was NOTHING compared to this machine. So I must have missed a second ovulation??? I dont know, I have so much to learn. If you live in Nor. Cal. I have the Vet for you!!!!!!!!!!! It was a moving experince for me :'( I have new faith in Brooks litter!

[mac1366]

great news!! I was worried 4 u

[kasper22]

Wow thats very cool, I wish I had a great vet like that around the corner. If you saw complete development, and lenghts of 19" I would think you are very close to baby time.

[Rockford]

Hey Doc....I live in Rocklin. Where is your vet? I haven't had any use for one yet but it would be nice to know who I can go to.

Thanks-

Brett

[Dr._Klopson]

Vacaville...... just a bit west of you! Pet Vet. Dr. A.

[Panama_Red]

So I must have missed a second ovulation

Definitly possible.. The first ovulation could have been big enough to trigger her to shed, and then she could have had another during or after the shed.

Now give her a break and let her have those babies in peace...LOL... Good luck :'(

[ratman]

Thats awsome. Freat news. Can't wait to see them doc! :'(

[Dr._Klopson]

Thanks you! I had documented what I thought to be the pre birth waxy stool weeks ago, but last night about 11:00 pm she had what I think is the real one! Maybe in the next few days.............................. ::)

I'm glad to see that everything is groovy.
!9"....WOW!
Breeding boas has to be one of the most stressful jobs out there, but also one of the most rewarding..

[Justin@ectothermz]

I also use, Dr. A! He's great! Wow what a small world, can't wait to see the litter, hopefully in person. Dr. K email me....ectothermz@hotmail.com


Best,
Justin

[Bushbaby]

Glad to hear that!!

Good luck and keep us posted!!

[Bushbaby]

Any news yet??

[Dr._Klopson]

Nope, same old thing................................

[Dr._Klopson]

SHE HAD BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CALL THE FRONT PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She had her babies on 6/3/05! Sorry I took so long to tell you its been a little busy! I really misjudged this gestation period but I learned ALOT from my records! #1 and most important from the date I removed the male........ if she had a 105 day gestation.... that means she retained healthy sperm for 4 weeks plus before her true ovulation(s) tool place! I've read different opinions on sperm retention but this is first hand! Unless that is she had a 165 day gestation which I doubt! #2: You wont believe this litter!!!! I bred my nicest Jadeline female ( very high yellow and clean) to a nice double het for striped albino male........... I got a finale count of 20 babies and 5 slugs, no still born........ this in the crazy part, she threw 2 arabesque boas, and 2 new somethings I've never seen! These are boas with a supper light tan back with dark grey sides! Maybe nothing at all but............. who knows!!! A couple pics of the litter and more to come! Thanks for your interrest and support!

[Dr._Klopson]

Notice the "Jungle" style saddles! This is true of about 7 babies!

[Dr._Klopson]

Notice also the supper thin targets on the sides!

[Dr._Klopson]

ARABESQUE!!! What in the world??!!!

[Dr._Klopson]

check out this tail!!

[Dr._Klopson]

This is one of the tan backed odd ones, this pic dosent capture the contrast well, but I'll take more after the shed!

[reidness]

NICE !!!! i cant believe she finnaly dropped!! it seams like it took years!!! nice looking kids, the last 2 posts you did didnt have pics with them also. give us more details, time of day and all that stuff, also was mom in a good mood? great job!! good luck reid

[Dr._Klopson]

She had the babies at 10:15 am. The night before I thought she was having contractions, she was also very mobile. After having them all which took three hours, she would plow threw them over and over! The first time I opened the cage she lunged out and tried to kill me! I let the babies alone for several hours with her and everytime I came in the room she'd start pushing them all over the cage again and again! This mommy behavior is so cool to see. Anyway thats it! sorry for te wait! Dan

[The_Boaphile]

Wicked young man! Wicked! Very very cool! Get some more cool pictures! We are all drooling here!

I think I want this one right here. Now if it's two I want them both!

http://www.theboaforum.com/forumpics/Brook_litter_6_3_050022.JPG

By the way... BOAgratulations young man!

[denny_rimes]

Well I have to say...........THAT litter was worth the wait!!!

Congratulations! You have some very unusual babies there!

Now it's time for lots of pics after those rascals shed!

Denny :'(

[reidness]

pics pics pics pics pics piiiiiicccccsssss!

[Panama_Red]

Congratz!! That arabesque looking one looks more like the pattern of a square tail! We need more pics :'(

[Dr._Klopson]

I'll get more pics up in just a bit! I have no idea if that arabesque look alike is genetic or not time will tell. I can tell you I have a couple very nice circle back square tailed boas and a nice arabesque from Hamond and this little joker could be the arabs twin! I hope down the road it ends up reproducing itself, we shall see! More pics on the way. :'(

[Sojourn]

SAHWEEET! It's about time! And I thought our Ivory was holding out on us for a long time. That is amazing. Congrats DR.!

I can not wait for more pics! :'(

[Dr._Klopson]

Ok! A few more pics of the "Bleached" back boa! I wonder how they'll look after shed! And a year from now!!!

[Dr._Klopson]

more

[Dr._Klopson]

more

[Dr._Klopson]

more! Dang Dan!

[Dr._Klopson]

There are two animals with the very bleached backs but several more have it, just not as extreme. This is the Arabesque looking boas, there were two as well......... soon to be proven out!

[Dr._Klopson]

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[Dr._Klopson]

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[Dr._Klopson]

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[Dr._Klopson]

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[Dr._Klopson]

last one!

That's one great looking litter of babies! I've been tuning in to this forum everyday just to see when she would have them. Happy to see your wait is over and it all turned out FANTASTIC. CONGRATS!!!!

[Dr._Klopson]

Thank you! :P

[Panama_Red]

Dan,
I'd definitly hold on to the arab looking ones..  They are different than an arabesque though, not in a bad way but a good way.  Look at how straight the line is along the connecting pattern.  An arabesque is not so defined and straight.  Your "bleached back" and arab looking ones have a similar wash too except the arab looking ones wash is all over while the bleached back ones have the wash missing from the back.  Just a few things to think about.. :'(  

Oh.. I was talking about the actual sqaretail morph not a circleback laddertail..

[thunder]

a very interesting litter. what does dad look like?

[Dr._Klopson]

Thanks for the feedback Panama Red! I really have no idea whats going on with these critters and your right about the side stripe....... I really wonder what these little ones will do in the future! Who knows, I hope something cool! :'(

[ShannGo3]

They really are different looking. But I have only been into Boas for about a year now. And when I am going through the posts I will notice something on a snake and then someone will write behind me and notice something else that I didn't even see. But your babies are really beautiful. Have you ever seen any boas bleached out like that before? Can you share a picture of the Daddy with us? You did a great Job!!!!!!! Shannon

[Dr._Klopson]

This is Cognito, the daddy.

[Dr._Klopson]

momma Brooke

[thunder]

umm. . . no pics? maybe it's my comp.

[ShannGo3]

I didn't get any either!!

[louie]

CONGRATS on a beautiful litter!!!Definately worth waiting for.I hope the arab looking one proves out for you.GOOD LUCK! Mike

[Rockford]

Still curious to see a full shot of one of those Arab looking ones to compare it with mine......Here is a pic of my arab looking poss. het.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/Bthacker/DSCF0866.jpg

[Dr._Klopson]

I posted a pic of the upper and lower half for you one page 6 I think. The pics are a little jumbled but I think the can pretty much see it all. That is a lovely amimal you have there as well! I see some of the same stuff going on! :'(

[Rockford]

Thanks and oops!! Yours definitely has a nicer tail. Mine is mostly black but he does have some weird pink spots on his sides. This Boa comes from back east, I think NC. I have the name of the breeder saved in my e-mail somewhere. It would be interesting to know if these Boas were related somehow. I don't know about you or anyone else but I haven't seen this pattern anywhere else. Anyone? If anyone one of those are female then I will lend my male out to you in few years!! I am pretty close by in Rocklin, CA too.....Congrats again!

[evilbitch]

congrats!

[Dr._Klopson]

Thanks Rose, and Rockford your on! This would be really nice to breed out! These are very neat patterned animals, the future looks good!!!! Dan

[Killer]

Hey Doc they should have shed by now right? lets see some new pics.