Does female have an attitude bout breeding ?

[Hogboa]

 I've got a large, proven Hog Isle Female. In '01' she produced a nice, healthy litter. she has excellent wt. & muscle tone. I cycled all my adults last year & attempted to breed her. Everytime a male was placed with her, she began "slapping" her tail back and forth  really hard down on the bottom of her cage. She did not reproduce.
This year I brought an adult male into my snake room, which did not come into contact with her & she started the tail slapping......AGAIN! :-X !
I've asked around & was told this is the females way of releasing "bad" pheramons & the tail slapping to let the males know she wasn't interested. Is this true? ::)
Is there anyway known to man to reverse this? Why would she act like this 2 years in a row? I'm completely clueless!
She's only 7 yrs old & perfect health. Any ideas? suggestions?
           Thanks, Dave :-*

[Panama_Red]

I can't answer your question, but I've got a female that does the same thing with her tail and she's NEVER produced! This female is a virgin and darn close to 10' so some day I expect her to drop the mother load, but when It comes down to it its up to the boas, if they don't want to breed than their not going to. I hope she comes around for you.

[Hogboa]

Thanx...I hope yours does to. Maybe we can find spanish fly for our boas,consider they don't drink alcohol ;D LOL If they'd drink, we get em drunk & they'd pick up each other for one night stands! :'(
There's gotta be a way to break this evil curse............?
ANYONE with thoughts, ideas or cures........please post em.
Dave, East TN Reptiles

[Jon-e-Boy]

Man that's harsh. I hope none of my boas become anti-nympho's that's for sure! ::)

[cahrens]

Hey Dave. The way I'm reading this is that you're putting the male into the females cage. Is that correct? If so then maybe put her into his cage. Maybe she feels her territory is being invaded and feels the need to defend it. Even though the 2nd male didn't go in her cage she may have still felt her area was threatened. Just a thought. Good luck. -Chris

[Jon-e-Boy]

Valid point you have there.

[Hogboa]

GOOD IDEA CHRIS ! Matter of fact......an excelent idea! I never even thought of that....duh :'( Thanks! I'll keep you all posted ;D

[Sojourn]

When all else fails play some Barry White..... :'(

I wish you the best, and hope she works out for you.

[cahrens]

Just remember....... if it works out for you then you owe me a baby. Lol. I've always wanted a hogg. -Chris

[MDS]

This may or may not help you. I recently read a post somewhere by a guy who keeps his Hogs together through out the year and he claims they breed every Dec and have produced litters for four years in a row.
I know this is not the modern way of thinking when it comes to boa breeding but I constantly see good results from people who keep pairs or groups together through out the year. One boa breeder and friend of mine put it to me this way, "Only they know when they are ready to breed. And keeping them together will give them every chance."
Dave, I'm no boa breeding expert but I do see a lot of babies produced this way. Just thought I would throw it out there.

[MDS]

Oh yea...that friend of mine keeps two males and three females together in one large cage and produces at least one and sometimes two litters every year without fail.
The first and second time I bred boas they were a pair that were housed together through out the year...they bred two years in a row. I never saw her doing any tail slapping.

[Hogboa]

Interesting. So the boas were housed together and when the time was right they started breeding? Was there a temp or light cycle? Thanks for ALL you guys replies. You all are definitly giving me "food for thought" Dave

[Randy_T.]

If I don't have boa success this season I think I will try that myself and see what happens, I know of a couple people that have had success by the same method of just leaving them together year round..seems rather successful.

Later Randy T.

[cahrens]

I would think that if you need 3 females to produce 1 litter a year (sometimes 2) then you are basically 66% unsuccessful in your breeding attempts. Everything I've read says to keep them separate. That, in no way, means it's a bad idea or it won't work. If you're happy with a 33% success ratio then go for it. This makes me wonder........ What's everyone's success ratio? I'm talking about adult, breeding size, females that you try to breed. How many do you try in a year and how many produce? Also you can include your breeding method whether it's to put girls in with boys, boys in with girls, or to leave them together year round. I'd love to see how everyone makes out. -Chris

[MDS]

Any success is better than no success. And plenty of people who keep their sexes seperate do not do any better. Even great boa breeders like J. Ronne can have an off year. I believe one year every one of his Peruvians slugged out (per phone conversation in...was it '98?.) What is important is to go with what works best for you.

[UnFazedSlim]

I agree with that last comment..and would like to add something. This hobby is still relatively young. The "experts" may have ways in which they have been moderately succesful in raising boas. What we all have to realize is that you may be able to better the existing techniques, or even come up with a better system on your own. In my mind following the "experts" leads to the same results..trying differing techniques can be more fruitful over a longer period of time. Then again if you are into boa breeding for a profit then you will want to stick to what is supposed to work. Just my two cents is all.

~Slim :'( :-*