SS Pastels 05(Mother)

[louie]

This is the mother of my SS Pastels,she is in her dark phase in these pics(going into shed).You can kinda see where the babies got their tails.

[louie]

Tail shot

[louie]

Full body,Sorry for the poor pics.she would not sit still.

That is a sweet looking momma, and the kids are truly awesome! I love their connected pattern and the huge, red side medallions. I wish I had some jing..
Momma doesn't look very big. How many babies in the litter?

[louie]

14 Live 2Slugs 0Stills.Yeah she was quite small(Approx. 5 ft.) with this litter.She`s actually bigger now than ever.She was slow grown I believe her to be a 01`.She did a great job nonetheless.Thanks for all the compliments,more pics to come as they all shed.   Mike

[JungleStruck]

Nice Boa.Is she a cross?Looks like she could be part B.C.C. and that could be why her babies have such nice red tails and red side medallions.Wich parent was pastel?

[CE]

mom sure looks like a suri to me... that explains the tails on those babies... they definately have BCC looking heads too.

Love I do mean love her tail and the babys

[louie]

I aquired this female as a Colombian Pastel.Somewhere down the genetic line in the wild there may have been a cross.Remember,wild snakes know NO political borders.I agree that there looks like some BCC influence in her and the babies.The pair that produced these babies were bred for their golden yellow color and exceptional tails.Take a look at Papa,He`s not so bad himself.

With a pair like that you couldn't expect anything short of awesome!
Jeff's "Lucy" line of Pastels has been accused of having Suri blood. I have one of Lokken's Pastels ( Lucy animal ) that has the widows peaks and intense red color/tail.
Selective breeding...;D

[louie]

Thanks Djinn,You hit it right on the head!!SELECTIVE BREEDING!!!

[JungleStruck]

Hey'that is cool,I have crosses that are mind blowing.The widows peaks have nothing to do with why we think they are crosses if you read are post's.I should probably keep my opinion's to myself,but I personally do not see pastel in either parent or babies(tho they are beautiful Boa's)!!!Wondering what makes them pastel to you?Is it in the eye of the beholder?Not trying to take away from the beauty of your animal's at all,just trying to understand what makes people label their litter's Pastel.

[louie]

Mike,I called them pastels because of their coloring,reduction of black,clean apperance,lack of black pigment around medallions.As for the Mother and Sire they were labeled pastels when I aquiried them.I think it may be "In the eye of the beholder".I have seen many boas called pastels that all have different traits.I`m not trying to advertise here,I`m just sharing pics of a litter that I`m very proud of.I am sorry if I offended you or anyone else here by calling them "Pastels".Do you think this guy is a Pastel? Thanks for your opinion.P.S. Have you read Jeff`s posts on Pastels?If you have`nt you should,It is VERY informative.

[The_Boaphile]

First off, many people unfortunately, like to assume that because a Boa looks in some way similar to how they know some other Boas tend to look, that that Boa must be a cross. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have many Colombian Boas that were never crossed with anything that, using this criteria, some would again assume were in fact crosses. The fact is that nobody can really know for sure. Nor can anyone know for sure about the animal posted here by Dr. Spangler.

http://www.theboaforum.com/forumpics/IMG_Corry.JPG

The Boa posted above, clearly is a Pastel. It does look like it has Surinam influence. However, I have produced babies similar to that one without ever having personally used a Surinam. In fact I have never successfully bred a Surinam though I have tried. This is the whole purpose for some in selective breeding. I know that the end result of some of my selective breeding trials has been Boas that look more like some other locality of Boa than they really are. I have Colombians that look similar to Peruvians. Though I can assure you, I have never ever ever had a Surinam, Peruvian, Bolivian, Hogg Island or any other locality of Boa Constrictor in the same cage with any of my Colombians. Not even for one second. The only breeding I have ever done that anyone could accuse me of doing any crossing at all is Hypos. I describe in great detail the origin of the mother of all Hypos from Panama (She came from a point in Panama very close to the man-made border between Panama and Colombia) and exactly where she did come from in my post on the origin of Hypos. Here is a link to that post:

http://www.theboaforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=boapics1;action=display;num=1014309917

My Lucy Bloodline animals originated from Jose and Lucy. The male, Jose, was purchased by me in 1988 when he was about 6 years old. At this time captive breeding was almost unknown in Boa Constrictors and he very very likely was an import as a baby in the early 80's before I had even gotten into Boas. Lucy was also purchased in 1988 but was more like ten years old. Again most likely a wild caught import.

Others have also accused my "Monster Tail" bloodline animals of being crosses of some sort. This is also wishful thinking I think sometimes of people who really are just jealous of these beautiful animals. I am disappointed when this happens as, I have a reputation of being to a far greater degree than most, a bit of a locality whacko when it comes to Boa Constrictors. I wish people would not cross known different locality animals. But people do and there isn't anything that anyone can do about it. It does matter to the other locality whackos out there but, get ready because I am about to say something really controversial, but what difference does it really make anyhow? None of us really knows where many of the animals in the market today really come from or originate from. That does not give me license to do crossing in my mind so I will not. As I have said many times before, I can and will make just about type of appearance I choose to in Boas without doing these crosses. It just takes more time and I am a patient man.

For instance, some have bred Hypos with Surinams to make redder Hypos. I have produced what I believe is the reddest Hypo on the planet without doing this. Here she is:

http://www.theboaforum.com/forumpics/monstertailclose7web.jpg

I have also made the orangest Albinos in the world and this without crossing as well. It just is not necessary. So Dr. Spangler's Boa looks similar to some Surinams. However some Colombians look like Dr. Spangler's and there is no way to know for sure. Unless you know that she is a cross of some sort, breed your Pastel animal Dr. Spangler. She is a beauty!

[louie]

THANK YOU so much Mr.Ronne!A nd Thank you for the time you have spent going into great detail to clarify this matter for me.I am now 100% sure I am not misrepresenting these animals as Pastels.Again,Thank you.You have made my day! Mike(SpanglerSerpents)

[boxingboa]

Super looking adults.Nice tail and great color.Know that is pairing nic boa tome super nice babies

[JungleStruck]

Well,since it is impossible to know if the mother is a cross we will never know if the babies colors and lack of black are from the Suriname trait or pastel trait.Either way,they produce NICE babies.Good Luck!!
see ya all in Daytona!!