Information for breeding albinos boa

[gabca]

Hello, I need some information about breeding albino, I whant to get some albino for a breeding project, I whanted to know becouse I heard differnt things. Wich is the best whay to have albino, albinox albino, albinoxhet? Someone told me that albinoxalbino have some problems, is that true?
Thanks

[denny_rimes]

albinoXalbino can and has been done, but from what I hear albinoXhet will bring you greater chance of success1

Either way good luck

[gabca]

They told me that with albinoxalbino you can have max 6/7 baby and probaly they will have genetic problem, is that true? Becaouse I have to choese if get a couple albinos or a male albino and 2/3 female het.

[Panama_Red]

Go with the albino male and the het female. You will have better results.

[gabca]

Thanks for the information

[HerperCCC]

Ed, that's funny, cuz I've heard the exact opposite. Everything I've heard says get an albino female and a het male, because albino males tend to be lazy breeders. Do you (or anyone else) have any insight on this?

[bambam]

I planned on breeding albino x albino. Is this a mistake?

[HerperCCC]

BamBam, I have heard (as you know, my albinos are too small, I haven't bred them yet) that this isn't a good idea.  I believe that most of the one-eyed and no-eyed albinos that you see are from albinoXalbino breedings.  Also some people report very small litters and problems with these breedings.  It is generally discouraged by most people I have talked to about it.  I was unaware of this when I bought my albinos, but luckily I have other plans for them!  :'(

I would recommend getting yourself a pair of hets, or hypos, or something else to breed them with, so you can hopefully avoid these issues.  Good luck!

[Unas-TheSlayer]

Albinism is a very weak genetic mutation. Because of this Albino x Albino breeding can cause problems and its not generally reccomended. Here is what you will get from each choice:

Albino x Albino = All albino offspring

Albino x Het = 50% albinos, 50% hets

Het x Het = 25% albinos, 25% regulars, 50% hets

Albino x Regular = 100% hets

Usually people do Albino x Het breeding to keep bloodlines strong and get maximum albinos.

Hope this helps.

[Panama_Red]

Ed, that's funny, cuz I've heard the exact opposite. Everything I've heard says get an albino female and a het male, because albino males tend to be lazy breeders. Do you (or anyone else) have any insight on this?

This is what I have heard from many people. I had 2 albinos and they did breed and produce offspring, no 1 eyed or no eyed babys, but my female albino was a pain in the rear from day one. My male albino was an aggressive breeder, I should have never sold him. I would at least have one of the breeders a het, the albino lines need to be a geneticly diverse as possible.

[bambam]

Herper, You should know by now I always have a back up plan! :'( I have some hypo's. I also have the het albino male which is striped and my female albino that is het for stripe. I have several ways to go. If I can just get the female anery I need. If you know anyone with a light colored anery female let me know. Jeff's always go so quick!

[Randy_T.]

In my opinion, I do not see an albino to albino breeding as a bad thing, as long as the boas are from a diverse source (not closely related)

I also think that we boa keepers are too worried/anal when it comes to them and don't want to risk it..  I think some of the information that is out in the hobby about albino to albino is misinformation to deter people from "flooding" the market with albinos. (not alot of the info, just some of it.)

If we look at other species of snake where the albino gene is highly available, such as burmese pythons, ball pythons, cornsnakes etc etc, and follow the history we can see that albino to albino breedings didn't result in a large flow of genetically defective animals, such that would lend to the idea of the albino gene offering the deformities/defections.  Most of the defective litters you will find in most animal breedings show that the resulting abnormalities were more likely tied to a genetic closeness between the breeding stock then the albino gene.

Another thing regarding the low viability/output of albino to albino that we all have "heard about" could also be tied to a male or female that was bred before prime breeding conditions either resulting in low sperm production by the male or low egg output by the female, and albinos unfortunately are looked at as a money maker more then a normal, thus making many of the people with them more willing and eager to try to breed them before prime breeding conditions are met..

I personally will be trying albino to albino down the road (I don't have a male albino yet, so will have to wait atleast another couple years before I attempt it myself.) but If you have a female and male that are fairly far seperated genetically wise, and they are both in prime condition age,weight, health wise I am willing to bet you will have good production with them.  

Later

[ratman]

I believe you are probably right Randy! We concentrate so much on the characteristics we can see that we often forget that there are many more that can't be seen which are being passed on geneticly also. When you breed from closely related lines you can get these traits passed on from both parents which leads to them manifesting. This could be disease or deficiencies! :'(

[HerperCCC]

Randy, you are absolutely correct. With all the variables involved, (age, genetics, line breeding, husbandry), there is no way to identify what factor(s) may be causing any defects which arise.

But, you also mentioned anal and paranoid keepers, which I definitely am! ;D I am one of those people who won't breed an albino to another albino just yet, until there is more "data" that I've seen. I know what people "have heard" is rarely reliable and unbiased, so I take it with a grain of salt, but due to my slight "paranoia," I'm not going to take the risk of proving the skeptics right! :'( (Besides, I'm planning to make sunglows with my albinos anyway! ;D)

[Randy_T.]

I don't blame you for waiting on trying the albino to albino breeding yourself.. Especially if your going to try for sunglows now.. How long until you will be attempting a sunglow litter? I wanna see em..

[HerperCCC]

It's still a ways off. Unfortunately most of my morph animals are late-02s and 03s. So it'll be another two years or so, unless I can get my hands on a killer adult female next year......hmmmmm........ :'(

[gabca]

What comes out from Albinoxsalmon and from the relative babys?
Thanks

[ratman]

You will get approximately 50% normals het for albino and 50% hypos het for albino (DH sunglow)! :'(

[gabca]

Thanks Is what I whanted to know, someone told me that the normals where dh for sunglow to, but he is wrong, now I try to get albino male, salmon female and a het albino female.