Are Sunglows Really Sunglows?

I understand Sunglows to be an animal that is expressing Albinism AND Hypomelanism at the same time.
I've always thought that was kind of a contradiction.
I'm not trying to start any wars here, I'm sincerely curious about this.
Has anyone ever bred a Sunglow to a normal boa?
If so, were there any Hypos in the litter?

[Frank]

If you breed a sunglow to a normal you will get 50% DH Sunglows and 50% normals het albino...

[Panama_Red]

Your question is a good one.. Hypos are more than just reduced pigment though, they definitly add color.

Hypos are more than just reduced  pigment though, they definitly add color.

That is kinda what I'm wondering. Most of us have seen what Pastel blood does when injected into an Albino.
Is that what's going on with the Sunglows? Are Sunglows expressing more red because of the COLOR in a Hypo, or are they actually an Albino AND a Hypo at the same time?

I don't suppose anyone would ever breed a Sunglow to a normal because it wouldn't make much cents financially.
Would that pairing produce any Hypos?

jason

If you breed a sunglow to a normal you will get 50% DH Sunglows and 50% normals het albino...

In theory you would. But would you actually? Has anyone proved it?

[louie]

How about a sunglow to sunglow?Super Sunglows?

[BOAMAN76]

Hello,
We bred our male Sunglow to a normal female last '04 season and got the expected results of 1/2 DH Sunglows and 1/2 Het Albinos.
What did you expect from the breeding?
Just curious.
Mike

Hi Mike, welcome to the tank~

I was just wondering if there would be any Hypos in the litter.
That's cool that there was.  It just seems strange to me that an animal can be Hypomelanistic and Albino at the same time..

jason

[Jarylo]

I think what Mike was saying in his results was:
50% double het sun-glow (hypo, definitely het-amel)
50% just het albino (no hypomelanistic phenotype)

since we know all of his offspring must be het-albino...

My answer to your initial question...

Yes, sunglows are really sunglows... ;D j/k, Now for the real answer... genotypically a sunglow possesses the homozygous form of the simple recessive amelanistic gene, as well as the heterozygous form of the incompletely dominant hypomelanistic gene... Phenotypically you don't see any melanin, quite frankly because there is none (barring the albino was a T-).... while the only phenotypic variance you see as a result of the presence of the hypo gene is the enhanced coloration... As to the chemical/scientific reason for this, no one can really be certain at this time. Some hypotheses about presence of the hypo gene...
A) it flips a switch, resulting in extra color
B) it intercepts processes related to the albino gene that would normally result in decreased color

Since there is a phenotypic difference between a sunglow (hybino) and a homo-amel we can safely assume that both genetic mutations/anomalies are present...

kinda wordy, but hopefully I "detracted from" rather than "adding to" the confusion. ???

Regards,

~Jay

[zenzinia]

Yes , if hypos (Rich Ihle , Panaman blood line ) did not have colors (also sometime called salmon) , the sunglows we see would not have the colors they have ! Hypo's have a reduction of black (pastel to >:() and T- albinos no black or brown , so if hypo's did not have a colors it would be without effects to express hypos and T- genes together ! No black with less black is still no black ;D
We are just at the begining of what will be produced with albinos colors, pastel, coral albinos, sunglows, ....
As a matter of fact there is allready so much differencies among the sunglows on the market to prove that it is all about the selection of the colours of the breeders .More collorfull they are, more collorfull the albinos will be, sunglow or not !
The deep red, orange, pink, ... albinos, sunglow or not are on their way !