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The_Boaphile
02-21-2002, 07:48 AM
The Mother of all Hypos is a female originally captured by a retired Dr. from Arizona. I won't mention his name here as I do not have his permission to do so. Many folks do know who he already though. Anyhow, while on a trip to Panama he saw a Boa at a train station in Gamboa Panama. This city is on the Colombia side of the Panama Canal. Just about the center of Panama between the Gulf and the Pacific Ocean. See the map below:


http://www.theboaphile.com/mapcanal.gif



This original Boa was captured in 1983 by the Dr. He brought her home and bred her for the first time in 1989. She had some babies with these really pretty "Orange Tails". He sold these for $100 each and the normals for $50 each. They were cheap. Nobody recognized the fact that they were Hypos until about 1994 or 1995, when some years after Jeff Gee acquired his first "Orange Tails" he bred them together producing the first "Super Hypos" or double dose Hypos. These of course were called F2 Hypos by many for years. Actually every baby in that litter was an F2. Any offspring produced by offspring of the original female owned by the Dr. are F2. This stands for "filial 2" or second generation. Whether Hypo or not. Double dose Hypo or not. Anyhow that's a topic for another day. Jeff Gee did not start the Hypo thing but certainly is the one who made them popular and brought them to everyone else in the country. Now in the mean time Rich Ihle acquired his "original" female and started producing his own "Salmon Hypos". He has certainly brought Hypos up to an even higher level and we all owe him a debt of gratitude for that. Rich lives in the same State. The trait works exactly the same. In fact the offspring, with the exception that the Salmon Hypos that generally have more red in them, they look very much similar to one another. So I believe they all originally came from this original female.

Now there has been recent this notion that the Hypos have sabogae blood in them. This just defies logic. The sabogae come from the tiny Island of Taboga off the cost of Panama. To believe this would be to believe that this tiny island population of Boa Constrictors somehow altered the genetics of the mainland form of Boa constrictors. Of course there is a very small number of Boas on this Island. My understanding is these Boas are very tiny due to the lack of food availability and or due to dwarfism. So these fragile Boas somehow made their way to the mainland and due to these hugely advantageous traits (Hypomelanism, and possible dwarfism) repopulated the thriving foundation of millions of Boas doing quite well on the mainland? I don't think so. Island populations typically are started by individuals that "raft" to the Island and somehow survive against the odds to establish "insular" forms of animals that after some time become genetically separate and diverse from the mainland forms where they originated from. It seems perfectly logical to me that the sabogae Island form (now called Taboga Island) originated on the mainland and that some of the individuals that made it to the Island happen to be Hypos from Panama and not vise versa. The only photo I have seen of an alleged sabogae is obviously a Hypo. It defies all logic to believe they originated on the Island and moved to the mainland. The obvious conclusion would be that they originated on the mainland and then rafted to the Island and brought along with them this Hypo trait.

So anyhow, that's my two cents worth of opinion and information on this often confused topic.

SnakePool
02-21-2002, 05:02 PM
That is some good "Need to Know" information.

Thanks!!

The_Boaphile
05-04-2002, 05:44 AM
How many of you was this all news to?

chris_peterman
05-08-2002, 10:36 PM
Its news to me.I heard the first hypo was imported and sold at a pet store. ???

Brandon
05-10-2002, 04:53 AM
this was definately news to me JEFF.
thanks for posting that info.
i reckon u should create a whole new topic for info of boas and news like u have posted here.
it will make some interesting reading hey.

maybe give it a thought.

cheers.

Jonathan_Brady
05-31-2002, 11:29 AM
ok, so what exactly are the characteristics of "hypos"? i've seen so many animals listed as hypo that look just like any other boa i have seen. also, what is their relationship to pastels? and on a (possible) side note, what are the characteristics of the pastels? thanks for clearing this up for me (i hope ;D)
jonathan brady

Chadj
05-31-2002, 02:37 PM
Cool,this was news to me.i'd like to know how some of the other morphs came into being as well.

Jonathan_Brady
06-02-2002, 09:32 AM
anyone? hypos? pastels? characteristics? relationship?
anyone?
thanks ;D

Randy_T.
04-20-2003, 12:55 PM
this was news to me as well, I would also like to know the ? that Brady brought up, about pastels and there genetic characteristics, I think I know (I will see) a pastel is a more washed out pattern and sometimes as a result you end up with a more colorful snake, I think. As far as I am concerned or informed there is no connection between pastels and hypos because a pastel will still possess a higher degree of black pigment and is usually more washed out in appearance, where as I have seen very muddy hypos that are still hypos and a muddy pastel is not a pastel. I think I confused myself enough now, so I will sit back and see if anyone with the know will help out. Later Randy T. :'(

oh yeah also a hypo is a codom where a pastel is more like a recessive trait such as blue eyes in people, (it just happens to be more wide spread of a genetic trait then the albino trait, or anery trait, more animals are likely to have this recessive gene then other genes, like the albino or anery, thus resulting in getting pastels in a litter from a pastel X normal.)

the best example I can give is if a blonde haired blue eyed person breeds with a brunnete with brown eyes the baby will most likely be a brunnete with brown eyes, but if that child then breeds with a blonde haired blue eyed person the baby can and will often end up blonde with blue eyes, even though brown eyes and hair is dominant.

am I anywhere close Jeff? or anyone else who knows. Later Randy T.

Jonathan_Brady
05-02-2003, 03:59 PM
new question...

now that we "know" that hypos came from panama, doesn't that make ... umm, well... ALL the young produced from this line intergrades?

of course, you can make the argument that panama is right next to colombia, but if you want to be strict with the locality, they aren't pure...

just some thoughts.
what do you think?
jb

Erich_Gaertner
05-03-2003, 08:16 AM
Jonathan,
Not all Hypos are from Panama. I acquired a "True/Pure" Colombian Hypo imported directly out of Colombia last May. This animal was imported into the country by Mike at Strictly Reptiles. I took the following definition for intergrade from Reptile and Amphibian Variants-Color, Patterns and Scales by H. Bernard Bechtel. Intergrade:an intermediate form exhibiting a combination of the characteristics of two seperate subspecies of the same species. Based on this definition, the Hypos/Orange Tails/Salmons are NOT intergrades! They are locality crosses! I hope this helps clear things up a little for you! Don't be a stranger around here, keep posting on the Tank! :'(
Erich Gaertner
www.strictlyboas.com

Erich_Gaertner
05-03-2003, 08:21 AM
If you would like to see a couple of pics, check out my post from April 1st.
http://www.theboaforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=boapics1;action=display;num=1049236660;start

Hogboa
05-19-2003, 06:09 PM
Where'sd the 1st Anery come from? "History of Anerys"
Dave :-*

amazrnfrst
05-25-2003, 06:04 AM
It was definately news to me. And I agree with you, I say any form of Boas, or Pythons or any snake for that matter, that also inhabits islands, originally came from mainland.



Thanks for the insight,
Chris

honkyfb35
05-27-2003, 08:44 AM
Definitely news to me. Thanks for the insight there Jeff and I agree, you should start a topic on stuff like this. Thanks Kyle

harrellharrell
07-03-2003, 12:40 PM
I would have to say, that this is the most informative post on lineage ever. Thanks Jeff. I would still like to know the answers to the hypo and pastel question, though.
Wouldn't mind another history lesson on anery's, the origins on the different lines of albino, and any other morphs you could.
Thanx. Ilove this place! :-[

Darrin_Brasher
07-17-2003, 10:34 AM
Good write up Jeffo .

ratman
09-04-2003, 07:14 AM
That should clear things up for some people. :'(

ksshane
10-02-2003, 05:12 PM
wow.. that is some great info.. Im surprised I hadnt read it before now...


thanks :'(

Bushbaby
02-09-2004, 11:48 PM
Definitly news to me. I can't wait for Hypo's etc, to reach our South African shores!! I would love to own one of these great looking Boas.

najt
06-18-2005, 04:16 AM
Cool that was new for me...

// andreas
www.reptilia.tk

sparky4601
09-08-2005, 09:06 AM
WOW!! my brain is going to explode!!! I just learned more about boa's now than i ever did thanks Jeff it makes me understand what all these names are that everyone is using for boa's Now I understand what hyp1,2 ect. stands 4 kool info 2 learn Id love to learn more!!!!! :'(

BoaAmarali
09-26-2005, 10:47 PM
Well that was a nice bit of info.I've heard a great deal of this info through different sources.I was very tenacious inquiring about this subject.I went to as many of the Main Breeder Names mentioned for this info.Except for the Dr.I don't know how to contact him.Mr. Ronne was my most trusted source and always is.The Map is a very nice and helpful tool with this type of subject. I wish the Hypo Boa from Colombia -Pics were still available to Look at from E.Gaertners post back in April.I'd love to get invloved in that project sometime in the future?!!The one thing I notice mostly about Mr.Ihle Salmon Boas are the beautiful solid brown eye colors that exist in so many of the Ihle Salmon Boas.I notice some forms of Nicaraguan and CA non-HypoBoas have those solid Brown Color eyes.In my opinion The Salmons with the solid Brown eyes seem to ~be some how more of a pure breeding line somehow,just an opion.I have Scarlet Pastel Dream Hypo Boas with really great red body color,only one male has almost solid bronze color eyes though.I have 2.1 '03 Scarlet Ronne Hypo Boas.My Sunset Hypo Boas have the best Brownish eyes I've ever seen.They appear almost orange,just ~strikingly beautiful eyes. I'm glad Jeff put this info into writing so its clear to everyone exactly how the Hypo was introduced into the Boa world in the USA. As far as insular Boas Sabogae or other wise populating mainlands is a fat chance as far as I'm concerned!! ~Thanks Lar M BoaAmarali ~http://www.boasbyklevitz.com/ Here is a Picture of my Fem '02 Sunset Boas eyes

crotalusadamanteus
11-21-2005, 01:29 PM
That was a pretty interesting read. I have to admit, though it goes along with what I've learned about Hypo's, i never did here of a doctor being the first. I did read that Rich's "original' (as you put it), was the original. Interesting tidbit there.
Thanks a bunch for that ingo Jeff.

Rick

snkchrmr_420
03-15-2007, 08:45 PM
Amazing post. I have two Hypos Het Ghost, and they are by far my favorite color morph. Keep up the good work.

nickstone
05-25-2007, 07:37 PM
Great info Jeff, I got a question though, how do you think that first hypo came to be? Just something magical in the genes of 2 otherwise normal looking boas? I have stayed up late at night alot wondering where exactly alot of morphs came from. Like motleys or jungles, do you think that one day 2 normal boas hooked up and they had something in there genes that produced the new gene that caused the morph to be created? Hope that made sense Thanks Nick